It looks (to me) like people just stopped commenting on blog posts. More and more, I might find some great, very technical post, just to discover it has zero comments; ironically, I'd probably got there through a link on Hacker News or Reddit or G+, where it'd have dozens (if not hundreds) of comments. The original author might or might not know about the conversation; if it's happening on one of the large portals, he'll probably find out because of the traffic surge and its side-effects (db crash, bandwidth bill, etc), but if it's happening in a smaller community he doesn't participate in, he might remain completely oblivious to its existence.
This is a sad anti-pattern, exactly as bad as Disqus; it's just another way of building information silos. It's even more sad to see this model being pushed by the geek community, who should know better. Yes, trackback/pingback and RSS have failed; but there must be a better way to interlink the debate across this bunch of URLs we call "the web".
10 January 2012
04 January 2012
IntelliJ PyCharm 2.0 and Jython 2.2 don't really go together
UPDATE: Dmitry Jemerov from IntelliJ responded, explaining what the situation is. TL;DR: 2.2 is simply too old, other features might come if there is demand. I've amended the post to reflect this.
Let me preface this rant by saying that I've been happily using JetBrains PyCharm for a few months, and it's certainly one of the best Python IDEs out there. The price is ridiculously low and if you're serious about Python, buying PyCharm is one of the best investments you can make. It can be used for free for 30 days, so you really should give it a shot.
This said, if you happen to work with Jython 2.2, you'll probably want to use something else. The claim that Jython is fully supported as a runtime, while literally true,is somehow stretched is only valid for 2.5+.
Let's say you work on Windows, and you have your Jython installed under C:\jython-2.2 (yes, it's damn old, but it's still the most widely-deployed release out there -- just ask IBM and Oracle).
You create a new project in PyCharm, then go to Settings -> Python interpreter, remove the preconfigured CPython runtime, then click on Add and point to yourC:\jython-2.2\jython.bat . Bang, "SDK is not valid". The list of library paths, which supposed to be automatically generated by the IDE picking up the environment configuration, is now empty.
Still, PyCharm should be smart enough to parse arbitrary .py files in specific directories, right? So let's click on Add... to point toC:\jython-2.2\Lib , then OK.
Now let's create a .py file, "from pprint import pprint", the module is recognised; "Run" the script, output is correct, life is good: Jython is indeed supported as a Python runtime.
Ok, let's do some file I/O, "import os"... uh, os is not recognised as a valid module. Same for sys. Apparently, they are somewhat special in Jython and are implemented directly into the main jar, so PyCharm can't see them for autocompletion or any other smart feature. I don't know what else is "special" in Jython 2.2, but I'd rather not have to find out.
Which brings us to the main shortcoming of PyCharm as a Jython IDE: it simply won't recognise or parse any Java jar. This is somewhat surprising, considering how the program is basically a spin-off of IntelliJ IDEA, a Java IDE, and is completely built on Java. In fact, it shares the codebase with the Python Plugin for IDEA. One would think PyCharm would be ideally suited to the task of handling the "Python on Java" mesh that is Jython, but alas that's not the case. A quick search on the IntelliJ forum brings up recent posts stating that full Jython support for autocompletion is simply not on the cards; Jython is supported as a runtime and nothing more. In fact, the Python plugin for IDEAprobably handles a Jython setup better than PyCharm, and that's not going to change any time soon. The main target for PyCharm are clearly Django/web developers, not integrators. UPDATE: see this blog post for more details on the real situation.
This state of things is a bit saddening. I don't know if this is a way for JetBrains to avoid cannibalizing its main cash-cow (IDEA), or simply a commercial oversight; the fact is that we have a product, ideally positioned to completely own a niche, which simply refuses to do so and actually delivers a second-rate experience. I hope JetBrains will re-evaluate their stance at some point, because it's a bit of a shame really.
Let me preface this rant by saying that I've been happily using JetBrains PyCharm for a few months, and it's certainly one of the best Python IDEs out there. The price is ridiculously low and if you're serious about Python, buying PyCharm is one of the best investments you can make. It can be used for free for 30 days, so you really should give it a shot.
This said, if you happen to work with Jython 2.2, you'll probably want to use something else. The claim that Jython is fully supported as a runtime, while literally true,
Let's say you work on Windows, and you have your Jython installed under C:\jython-2.2 (yes, it's damn old, but it's still the most widely-deployed release out there -- just ask IBM and Oracle).
You create a new project in PyCharm, then go to Settings -> Python interpreter, remove the preconfigured CPython runtime, then click on Add and point to your
Still, PyCharm should be smart enough to parse arbitrary .py files in specific directories, right? So let's click on Add... to point to
Now let's create a .py file, "from pprint import pprint", the module is recognised; "Run" the script, output is correct, life is good: Jython is indeed supported as a Python runtime.
Ok, let's do some file I/O, "import os"... uh, os is not recognised as a valid module. Same for sys. Apparently, they are somewhat special in Jython and are implemented directly into the main jar, so PyCharm can't see them for autocompletion or any other smart feature. I don't know what else is "special" in Jython 2.2, but I'd rather not have to find out.
Which brings us to the main shortcoming of PyCharm as a Jython IDE: it simply won't recognise or parse any Java jar. This is somewhat surprising, considering how the program is basically a spin-off of IntelliJ IDEA, a Java IDE, and is completely built on Java. In fact, it shares the codebase with the Python Plugin for IDEA. One would think PyCharm would be ideally suited to the task of handling the "Python on Java" mesh that is Jython, but alas that's not the case. A quick search on the IntelliJ forum brings up recent posts stating that full Jython support for autocompletion is simply not on the cards; Jython is supported as a runtime and nothing more. In fact, the Python plugin for IDEA
This state of things is a bit saddening. I don't know if this is a way for JetBrains to avoid cannibalizing its main cash-cow (IDEA), or simply a commercial oversight; the fact is that we have a product, ideally positioned to completely own a niche, which simply refuses to do so and actually delivers a second-rate experience. I hope JetBrains will re-evaluate their stance at some point, because it's a bit of a shame really.